The Costa Blanca Forum

- living, working & holidays in Costa Blanca North (Benidorm to Oliva)

The Costa Blanca Forum - about living, working and holidays in Costa Blanca

A forum for residents, visitors & property owners - full of local interest and lively comment!

 

Go Back   > Costa Blanca Forum > CBF - Property Maintenance in Costa Blanca > CBF - Swimming Pool Maintenance

CBF - Swimming Pool Maintenance Area you having problems with you pool? Tell us about them – this Forum has a few lurking piscineros to give you advice.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-17-2008, 10:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Homefinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Moraira
Posts: 895
Blog Entries: 3
Default ARTICLE: Chlorine for Swimming Pools

TriChlor is a great sanitizer for swimming pools but its use needs to be properly understood – otherwise the water quality can become poor and the pool unsanitary!

When chlorine is dissolved in water Hypochlorous Acid (HClO) is formed and this is the sanitizer, which kills bacteria and helps control algae growth.
There are different ways of dissolving the chlorine in the water and the chlorine compound most commonly used for sanitizing swimming pool water is TriChlor (Trichlorocyanuric Acid) and this comes in two forms: granules and tablets.
When TriChlor is dissolved in water Hypochlorous Acid and Cyanuric Acid (CNOH)3 are produced.
The Cyanuric Acid (CYA) acts as a stabiliser and, without the CYA, the chlorine would disappear quickly from the water, especially in strong sunlight.

It is vital to have a certain amount of CYA because otherwise the chlorine would disappear in a few hours.
- but real problem can occur if there is too much.

It is easy enough to understand how things can go badly wrong.
The chlorine gets used up, dealing with the bacteria and debris, but the CYA remains.
Over time the CYA level increases. It quickly reaches the stage where the majority of the chlorine is “locked up” and stronger doses of chlorine are required.
Eventually the chlorine stops working completely.

One 200-gram TriChlor tablet = 2 ppm (parts per million) chlorine and 2.4 ppm CYA.

The actual “legal” amount in most areas is 75 ppm (just 31 tablets). The “practical” amount, where chlorine levels can be controlled without any real problem, is reckoned to be 150 – 200 ppm (approx 80 tablets).

Now there is a certain amount of water changeover and the CYA become diluted by backwashing, splashing out and leakage. Evaporation does not dilute the CYA – it concentrates it!
Most certainly, after just two years, the CYA levels become impractical or impossible.

What happens past this point is that “normal” chlorine levels cease to work properly, more and more TriChlor is required, the water has a “dull” look and frequent shocking is required to stop the water going green.

Normal Chlorine Levels: A public swimming pool has 2.1 ppm - never more than that! Most pool cleaners keep pools around 3 – 4 ppm.
With high CYA levels even 5 ppm is often not enough and here is the real danger – pool test kits will not measure any more than 6 ppm and the chlorine level could be 20, 30 40 ppm – or even more than that!

So what is the solution!

There are several work-a-rounds but it is important to be able to measure the CYA. Most pool chemical suppliers will provide an analysis if you take in a sample and a dedicated CYA test kit can be purchased from Ju-Ju-Ju in Benissa (La Pedrera Complex).

1. Partial Draining: This is the way it is supposed to be done. By draining part of the water each year the CYA level can be kept between 30 and 100 ppm.
The real problem with this solution is that water is expensive.

2. Controlling the Amount of TriChlor used: This is also “doing it by the book”. The chlorine level is maintained between 2 and 3 ppm, the Free and Combined Chlorine carefullymonitored and the pool shocked regularly with Liquid Chlor (Sodium Hypochlorite) – which does not contain CYA!
This keeps the consumption of TriChlor to a minimum, also the CYA level and reduces dramatically the amount of water required for the annul draining.

The problem here is that the pool requires more visits by the cleaner and swimming time is reduced whilst shocking.

Explaining Shocking: Chlorination at normal levels does not remove the debris entirely but combines with it forming nitrates (chloramines).
These chloramines have to be oxidised (burned off) and volatile liquid chlorine is added to raise the chlorine to shock-point (10 – 12 ppm).
Chlorine actually has very little odour. The characteristic pool smell is caused by the chloramines.

3. Convert the Pool to Bromine: Bromine is not affected by CYA and also has lots of other advantages but I will deal with this in another article.

Wikipedia: Swimming Pool Sanitation

Ask Alan Schuster: Chlorine Pools

Homefinder
Homefinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2008, 12:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
Just joined
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
Default Pool Chemicals

Very Good Homefinder!
In my opinion anyone who cleans and maintains their own pool should always use liquid clor,then as you say the Cymuric will not increase.The total disolved solids (TDS) will of course , but over a much longer period.

Poolmanjohn

Last edited by Homefinder; 05-26-2008 at 12:47 PM. Reason: Used my real name
POOLMANJOHN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2008, 01:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Homefinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Moraira
Posts: 895
Blog Entries: 3
Default More Pool Topics?

Thanks for that PMJ.
What else should I write about that would interest pool owners?
I had thought about Bromine and Total Alkalinity.
How about black mould? This is going to become an ongoing problem soon in lots of pools. I have had one already but that was heated.
Would you like to start the thread?

You have not introduced yourself, by the way. I think you should do that.

With a name like "POOLMANJOHN", I should take care - pool owners in trouble won't leave you alone
Do you troubleshoot for people? Perhaps if you offer this in your introduction you will get some business. Remember: no self-promotion in the forum. Introduce yourself is your only chance

Homefinder
Homefinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2008, 02:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Homefinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Moraira
Posts: 895
Blog Entries: 3
Default

Quote:
You have not introduced yourself, by the way. I think you should do that.

With a name like "POOLMANJOHN", I should take care - pool owners in trouble won't leave you alone
Do you troubleshoot for people? Perhaps if you offer this in your introduction you will get some business. Remember: no self-promotion in the forum. Introduce yourself is your only chance
Hi PMJ

You have still not introduced yourself so forgive me if I got it wrong. Perhaps you call yourself this because you like to play pool. In which case PLEASE introduce yourself and perhaps you would like to post in the "Sports and Passtimes" section.

If you really are a professional pool cleaner I have a request.
Lots of people have read my Chlorine post and asked me to explain the system in "laymans" terms. Why they don't post that request here (instead of phoning me) I just don't understand, it's not helpng me at all to get my forum going.
Anyhow, I don't profess to be an expert at the hands-on stuff so would you like to do it?

Homefinder
Homefinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
Just joined
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
Default Let it be known . . .

Yes, I am a pool cleaner and I have a diploma from the Spanish Federation, Homefinder is fully aware of this (as we are friends) and he is just trying to wind me up so that I respond to his thread.
Right now I am only interested in reading what others have to say and intend to start posting in my own good time.
Whilst on the subject of pool: Yes, I am a pool player, can beat Homefinder with my eyes shut and frequently do.
PMJ
POOLMANJOHN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 10:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
Just joined
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
Default

Homefinder, I have a better idea!
You know that I don't like writing. Why don't you write the article and I'll tell you where you were wrong?
PoolManJohn
POOLMANJOHN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2008, 04:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Homefinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Moraira
Posts: 895
Blog Entries: 3
Default

Right PMJ - I took the challenge!
I have written an article on thur favourite subject "Chlorine vs Bromine".
Do your worst - I can take it!

Homefinder
Homefinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2008, 06:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Homefinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Moraira
Posts: 895
Blog Entries: 3
Default Swimming Pool Problems and Topics

The Swimming Pool Section is the most widely read on the forum. 1,503 visitors have read threads here so far.
I just do not understand why we don't get a little more interaction, especially after a long hot summer with a lot of pools going wrong even for professionals.

PMJ - You will remember this exchange.
Quote:
Homefinder, I have a better idea!
You know that I don't like writing. Why don't you write the article and I'll tell you where you were wrong?
PoolManJohn
Quote:
Right PMJ - I took the challenge!
I have written an article on thur favourite subject "Chlorine vs Bromine".
Do your worst - I can take it!
Homefinder
So you never replied - which must surely mean that you agree with absolutely everything I said!

Another problem perhaps is that he wants to remain incognito. Well you have blown it in that respect PMJ. Click here to see! 25 search results on Google!
You have to blame good ol' Richie for that. Perhaps, if you ask him nicely, he'll change your name. Homefinder2 would be good, I need all the piblicity I can get

Homefinder
Homefinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:17 AM.


Forum Navigation
Spanish Real Estate forum

- Welcome to the Costa Blanca Forum – For Residents and Visitors. Benidorm to Oliva.

- Get started by registering (it's FREE) or if you are already a member login and start posting.

Property for sale Costa Blanca

Advertise here

Rental property Costa Blanca

Moraira Property | Properties for sale in Moraira

Costa Blanca information websites

Advertise here


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0